Carlo is correct in what he is saying. I talk to customers daily who no longer go to Jim's or any of the forums. Problem is that in old days everyone helped each other. Now it just seems guys are battling who is better than the other or ask one question that they may not know. Than they get shredded by people saying how dumb they are for asking. If people are supposed to learn? How can they if everyone has an I am better than the next guy attitude. Most customers sold almost all of their boats after battling racing issues and what they see on forums. Now they say they have more fun running on the weekends by themselves or with buddies who gave up also.

Carlo

Something else too. Maybe get rid of post counts? Who cares how many posts you have. I see a lot of guys even on car sites that have high post counts but are always saying things like cool or great or making jokes with there buddies. Even using the board as a message area to keep in contact with their buddies. Like when they going to run together? They can call or text or email each other. Not out in the open and getting post counts because of it. The car forums I go to dropped the counts. Nothing changed. but guys get so hung up on the numbers and sometimes I get guys who call because they seen someone with a high count and thought he must know something about our product only for me to tell them they are totally wrong. This is only something to think about.

Todd
Quickdraw

Todd,
That is not a bad idea, I will talk to Marc about that. Thanks for your input.

Carlo

have to really agree with todd on that one, .have to try to keep the competition on the water and off the forums.just my opinion.

Well with some things either it right or its wrong.People have to be able to be wrong too.We are not here to pass out pacifiers either. Lets not get too crazy. If anything Karma would be more used as a metric for saying "people agree with what I say" and you have spiteful people that try to knock it down specifically to be spiteful not coz what you post isnt fact.Have you noticed?? Post counts never meant a thing to me. I think this idea is personally perceived by some not by all. It wont change peoples behavior, thats up to the individuals. The mods can do a bunch of work for nothing coz people are either going to have to be able to tastefully disagree,be wrong or prove what they say by some method thats easily accepted buy others. IMHO's on technical things is what needs to be minimized if u are one that cant take being corrected even when you are truly wrong.

Carlo I thought this thread was going to be locked??? It will go on and on forever and before long you will have to redo the entire site. Do we need all that ? Cant we just behave? or like true kids do we need constant supervision?

RESPECT DOES NOT MEAN ACCEPTING WRONG ANSWERS WITHOUT CHALLENGE

Just give respect and recieve it .It is a very easy moral concept .One that shouldnt require a restructuring of the entire site.Just self moderate and make it easy on the powers above. They are members too, and placing a bunch of work on them coz people cant act like adults is not fair to them either. To me if you have high post counts in a short time it likely means your talking too much and not giving others a chance to chime in. On the other hand some people ask questions and no one answers at all so...... go figure.

Very good point Carlo. It seems that this site and Jims have been taken over by a few seem to know it alls. I do remember when it was fun to visit the sites for info and the latest best thing out there. Talk about upcoming races and even some trash talking but it was all in fun. I don't post much on either site anymore and I am one of those guys that don't make my own stuff. I buy from what is available from guys that like to make their own stuff. I believe I am an accomplished racer and I love these little boats and all the friends I have made through the years of racing. I wish we could turn back the clock a little and get back to when it was fun to visit and post

Juice,
I completely agree with you. That is the general idea of what me and Marc would like to try and accomplish here. Only time will tell if we can get it done, but we sure are going to give it a good try.

Carlo

I couldn't have expressed my own feelings about recent years in the model boating online scene any better than what you posted! Let's change things and make it fun again!

I'll kind of work in reverse here.
Post count doesn't mean squat to me. I've seen were some of the best in our hobby/sport find a site but their post count is low but we know who they are and have respect for them. Others may think that because someone has a high post count that they're smart but could be one of those people who post drivel to raise it (seriously, I've seen it) or those that are new and have a lot of questions, the one that we should like and want to help. Some new boaters get very excited over their boat. I saw one where the guy had to start a whole new thread because he bought a new prop! OK, we may be a little jaded but to him it was a big deal.
The machinists or those who do engine mods, make your own hardware, make hulls or whatever. Yes, we need you guys as you can be or are the future as we need the better mousetraps.
RTR/Plug & Play boats. It's not just the lazy who buy them but those who don't have someone looking over their shoulder to help them along. Some don't have the time or experience. The downside is that we may have a prospective boater who might want to move up the ladder yet might think that all RC boats are imported junk like what he bought then we've lost yet another one. I met a guy last Sunday with a RTR gas boat who wondered why his boat wasn't as fast as mine are. I explained to him that I built mine using my favorite pieces from various places and that my engines have been modified.
The big thing I saved for last (for now). I know a lot of you in person or know you from the forum sites. We're all big boys, most of us old enough to have grandchildren. Those of us that have been around the sites long enough know who we can mess with and who we can't. A new member on any site that sees this might be scared off. I've seen new members get ripped a new one and am embarrassed for them. there's a tactful way to reply to them then there's the rude way. If you're in the latter group, is this the way that you'd want your family seeing you behaving?

I agree Ron. It would appear that the number of post is much more important than the quality of the information being presented. When you catch one of these avid posters in something that is totally erroneous, they are insulted & you are guilty of picking on them. Information about re-hardening drawn brass tubing is a typical example, but there are many others. Exactly how do these numerous post that contain bogus information help anyone, especially someone new to the hobby?

I think the following quote fits extremely well; "Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity"!

Jim Allen

I agree with you Chris about Jim's. There are a few that no mater what you post they have to post something. Even after a person already answered the question they have to put there two cents in. There are quite a few guys that have been around quite a few years and they do not post any more, some do not even hardly go there anymore because of this. It is a shame they sould do away with the post numbers because that is all some of them care about. Good to see you on here Carlo watch them.


Ron