Guys,
I have been reading over all the posts on this forum and while I do find some to have quite a bit of really good information and some of it even above my head, I don't believe that hardly any of it will help the average Model Gas Boater. We have some really talented seasoned machinist that frequent this site with a lot of views on how to machine engines and parts for our hobby. I would like to see these guys continue to be a part of this site, but the continued blatant disrespect for one another and the I know more then you attitudes have got to go. I can tell you that I will not put up with it as long as I am a moderator on this site. Don't we have enough of guys that seem to know everything there is to know on other sites? This site should be better then that with the quality of members that are on board. None of us know everything and we will continue to learn everyday hopefully from each other on a regular basis.

After going over all of the posts in this forum with quite a bit of disgust, I realized that maybe we just need to find a direction that will help everyone. While all the machining talk is great and I do find it quite interesting, 99.5% of Model Gas Boaters have no interest in it. They want help with common problems as well as how to make there boat faster with setup, prop and general helpful tips from mounting hardware to routing of water lines. Extended talks of fixtures, jigs and machining centers that are accurate to .0000001 is not helping them get around the pond any faster. Rebuilding cranks and machining oversized crank pins are great for the machinist here, but 99.9% will just get on the internet and order another $40 dollar crank. These discussions will hold there interest for about 30 seconds and then they will sign off as it really is no interest or help to the normal boater. Most are going to buy a engine, hardware and hulls from the vender they prefer and look for help to put it together and make it fast and this is the area where we need to be more helpful. We need to think about a new guy signing on to learn about Model Gas Boats and what we can do to teach the very basics that most of us take for granted. Most don't know a Strut from a Rudder, Positive from Negative angle, Tight or Loose on the water, Lean or Fat or what COG even stands for. These are the areas where most of us that are veteran boaters should be helpful.

This comparing each others education, experience and knowledge or what I would like to call ego messaging does not help anyone. I will ask Marc to make a section on the site for advanced Model Gas Boat enthusiast that can be for the most talented machinist and engineers to discuss the most advanced ways to help do projects and make our Model Gas boats more efficient.

With all of that being said I think we need the core of veteran supporters on this site to start helping guys with basic problems without them needing a PHD in Physics to understand. Lets contribute in positive ways to get more people involved not only with this website, but our hobby. If we keep that direction in mind and learn to think positive without ripping each other apart about how we each do things we can turn this website into the place to come for help and a wealth of information like it was originally intended for.

Thanks in advance from your friendly MGB Team Member.

Carlo

Well said, Carlo, Very well said.

Most of the guys on here don't give a rats a$$ about how it's done, they just want somehing they can take out of the box, assemble it, gas it up and run it. No one really cares that you have have a left handed freritistrance in your garage to make your boat go a 1/2 mile per hour faster, or your engine turn 6 more RPM. I learned a long time ago, a lot of folks in this hobby aren't really sure which end of a screw drive to hold.

WHO THE HELL CARES. This is a HOBBY and these are TOY BOATS. We don't race for money, we race for FUN.

When I go racing, I always say there's a better chance of me getting a ride in the space shuttle than there is of me winning a race. I race for fun. If I happen to win a race along the way, bully for me.

In 11 years of racing, I think I have won first in 3 heats. Do you want to know why I won first place? I'll tell you why. I finished in first place because my boat was the only boat still running.

Much needed and very well said Carlo.

Marc does have a specific forum for Hobby Machinists under the "magazine" banner. However as you said, even it is a very hands on and practical approach, rather than an engineering seminar.

I have to tastefully disagree. 1. everyone in model boating doesnt race. 2. Nothing thats been said requires a PHD to understand. 3. Dont people always have an option not to read what they dont understand or value? Its very funny to me how people spew then when you use technical article books and the like to show them their thinking is wrong all of a sudden its overkill. Sounds like major insecurity to me.Not knowing how something should be done also means you never will know the true quality of what you buy from people. Thats doesnt promote the sport it promotes sales. Slow boats also dont attract people that are truly race minded. Peoples solution to a fast boat - BUY MY STUFF dont think for yourself just be a force fed robot - we tell you its good so it is. If you dont think Ill never have to worry about any competition.

Example someone once said the tunnel in the cat overcomes gravity - gravity is never overcome its always present. Thats an elementary understanding of physics no PHD required. Are people suggesting they arent smart enough to think? The very problem in America people dont want to think anymore. This buy my stuff - plug and play mentality is literally sickening. Not being able to see how to cut the base of a cylinder correctly is totally unfair to the people that want to learn that skill. You cant expect people to be slow or just buy someone elses stuff if they do not want to. I thought the idea of any hobby was to actually build something.

When you create this "advanced" section the same gripers will be the first to visit say some silly and when they get corrected the rule will be changed again to suit them I guess Sad thing is many of the gurus dont sell a thing they really are in the quest of a better boat. Suggesting that we dont think deeply about what we do is a grave mistake my friend. Its to late to think when debris from exploding props hits you in the head. If you want the sport to grow let it. And dont let the lobbyist that just want to make a dime silence truth. It is not the info thats the problem, its the reaction by SOME people to it. . I also have no idea what there educational or experience level is. Not something you think about when you try to post good info. Thats really what questions are for right?

Ive never seen a "toy" I needed 50 million in liability insurance for. There are several sites that this plug n play mentality are supreme why not go there instead of trying to make every boating site a social network

Peace,
Hotshot # 2077S

Hugh,
I truly believe you have missed the entire point of what I posted and in return did exactly the opposite of what I and the owner of this site is looking for. I am not going to get drug into a argument over what I posted, but I will state some facts. Never once did I mention racers I mentioned Model Gas Boaters as a whole. The mention of a PHD was just a joking reference to some of the deeply in depth posts that have dragged on with arguments on how to machine parts. We are not trying to get people not to read this forum we are trying to come up with ways to attract more boaters and help them get through the steep learning curve that someone new will go through. It is very hard to find good quality answers about the basics of our hobby and that is where this forum should shine. If they want to learn to be a machinist then there are schools for that and for the guys that want to learn machining techniques for the particular parts in our hobby then you guys will soon have a section on this forum where they can go and learn the tricks of the trade by some very talented people. I think the latest monopoly of this forum with arguments over machining techniques is by no way helping our hobby or anyone looking for general information on Model Gas Boats. There is a wealth of information held by veteran boaters on this site that can be way more helpful then what has been posted as of late.

Yes, this is a hobby and people can build anything they choose, but just because it is sickening to you does not make people force fed robots for choosing to buy parts instead of investing in a machine shop. Most people do not have the time or resources to do such projects and are thankful that they can buy parts to complete there project in a timely and affordable fashion. It is more important to most people to enjoy there Model Gas Boat then it is to build it. There is a smorgasbord of places people can buy parts from if that is what they choose to do as without these choices this hobby would get even smaller as we would only have machinist building boats.. To chastise the masses, because they choose to buy there parts instead of making everything is bad for the hobby especially when that is what the overwhelming majority chooses to do. If you want to cater to minority and teach the correct ways to make and machine parts then that is great any passing on of knowledge is a wonderful thing. There will soon have a section on this forum just for that and I am sure it will be quite popular.


Thanks

I hope from this point out it will be to the MODERATORS only to comment and decide on whats over the top. I also hope that they establish that respect is a two way street. We dont need this - you hit me but the ref only sees when I hit you back! - If you want a BETTER forum. For adults this should be a very easy concept to understand.Name dropping in post to people that dont have anything to do with childish spats doesnt help either. Ive been a victim of that here on your site. Just pull peoples name out of a hat when youve never once addressed them looked at there post EVER. On this site or any other!! Im not crying coz it silly but dont cry victim when you go around purposely trying to start fights. Its very clear too see if you want to.

Good luck with the advanced section

Hugh,
It is clear to see that you have some issues with other members of this forum and I am not going to point fingers or blame anyone, but I would hope that if you wish to resolve them you can do it in private messages or emails to one another and not publicly. I am hoping that with the quality level of members that we already have on this board we can make this site the one to turn to for valuable information from beginners to advanced Model Gas Boaters.

Thanks
Carlo

We all have something in common no matter if your a play boater , Racer , Saw , etc etc. But for crying out loud fellas anybody on the outside looking in "WE" give the impression we all hate eachother. Is this message we wanna send ?

Think it's time to quit playing KEY BOARD COWBOYS and put some of that energy and talent into promoting the hobby instead of bashing eachother.

I see guys whining about being Banned from JRCBD.COM that's cuz they dont put up with much BS over there. And don't see MGB too far behind.

Wally,
That is the exact point I am trying to get across. All of this looks very bad and I am going to clean it up and try to help make this a friendly place for everyone.

Even this post will be gone soon.

Watch out boys. There's a new Sheriff in town and he's packing a 6 shooter. Clean up the town Carlo